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Re: When The Beatles Met Elvis

Postby colonel snow » Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:59 pm

DarylR wrote:I still think a great idea would be to have Sony Legacy and Capitol Records / EMI / UMG collaborate on a 2 CD set. One CD would feature roughly 25-30 of Elvis' biggest hits / most recognizable songs. Sort of like 30 #1 Hits but more a combination of 30 #1 Hits and "2nd To None." The other disc would feature roughly 25-30 of the Beatles biggest hits. If Sony Legacy / Ernst could ever track down the purported July 1969 rehearsal tape featuring Elvis singing the Beatles 1964 classic "I Saw Her Standing There" (aka "Seventeen"), that could be included as a bonus track on the Elvis disc. The Beatles disc could feature any number of one of the unreleased bits of them singing one of Elvis' classic songs. Most likely these would be found during the "Get Back" sessions or even a live from the BBC recordings. The set could be titled "Elvis Vs. The Beatles" or "The Beatles Vs. Elvis" depending on which variation of the packaging you buy. There could be two different variations of the packaging, with different front and back covers. One front cover could feature an iconic photo of Elvis while the back cover could be an iconic photo of The Beatles. The other cover could feature an iconic photo of The Beatles on the front and an iconic photo of Elvis on the back. Song selections could possibly be voted on by the fans via social media (Facebook, Twitter, etc.). Sort of how Sony Legacy did it with the "I Am An Elvis Fan" campaign several years back. I thought that was a brilliant idea but the song selection was piss-poor. Package it with a very nice booklet featuring all the photos of the meeting between Elvis and the Beatles. Maybe even interview Priscilla and Jerry Schilling as well as interviews with Ringo Starr and Paul McCartney as well as archival interviews with John Lennon and George Harrison for the liner notes.



In the past LP Elvis vs The Beatles was already released.

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Re: When The Beatles Met Elvis

Postby reg » Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:11 pm

Elvisinvegas wrote:We seem to get different versions of this meeting every time. But I wonder if John had the balls to say Elvis he had been crap since 1958.


John wouldnt have said that because he didnt believe that. I think he thought his hero really lost his way with the movies in the 60s and he was right. I seem to remember that both he and Paul asked him what everyone wanted to ask, when are you gonna release some rock and roll on a single again. I think Elvis did his usual "maybe after I finish this movie Im doing" answer and John said something like cool, thats something I will buy. I sure wish we had a tape of even a little bit of their jam together or even them talking. The greatest ever musicians together.


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Re: When The Beatles Met Elvis

Postby DarylR » Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:53 am

Elvisinvegas wrote:We seem to get different versions of this meeting every time. But I wonder if John had the balls to say Elvis he had been crap since 1958.


I know we discussed this here before, but it appears that John borrowed the intro of Elvis' 1961 recording of "Little Sister" for The Beatles "The Ballad of John and Yoko." So clearly Lennon must have at least liked one of Elvis' post-Army recordings. I'm sure there are others. What I find interesting is that when Elvis performed "Little Sister" in Las Vegas in August 1970, he merged it with a different Beatles track, "Get Back" into a medley for his concert act (August 12, 1970 Midnight Show). And what's also interesting is that Elvis initially introduced "Little Sister" as a song that came out before he went into the Army but then corrected himself by saying that it came out after he was out of the Army. Which ironically correlates with the iconic Elvis quote from John Lennon regarding Elvis' death when Lennon said that "Elvis died when he went into the Army." Yet "Little Sister" was definitely a post-Army recording. What's also interesting is if you watch the documentary about songwriter Doc Pomus ("AKA Doc Pomus") they interview Pomus' daughter and she talks about Lennon wanting to sit beside her father at an awards ceremony for songwriters and how she once ran into Lennon at a grocery store and introduced herself to him as Doc Pomus' daughter and Lennon freaked out.

You could make the argument that Elvis going into the Army was equivalent to John divorcing from Cynthia and marrying Yoko. I know Yoko commonly gets blamed for the breakup of the Beatles. I think for Lennon to simply expect Elvis to put out the same type of records he made in the 1950s is absurd. The other thing I wanted to mention is that there's a book that essentially goes through all of the song excerpts that the Beatles did during the "Get Back" sessions and there were a few songs such as "It's Now Or Never" and "Wild In The Country" that were done. I think "I Got Stung" was another that comes to mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWWZSu4e5cI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZnm_s3wZeo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8slFV8s3yI
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Re: When The Beatles Met Elvis

Postby Mojo Filter » Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:43 am

DarylR wrote:
Elvisinvegas wrote:We seem to get different versions of this meeting every time. But I wonder if John had the balls to say Elvis he had been crap since 1958.


I know we discussed this here before, but it appears that John borrowed the intro of Elvis' 1961 recording of "Little Sister" for The Beatles "The Ballad of John and Yoko." So clearly Lennon must have at least liked one of Elvis' post-Army recordings. I'm sure there are others. What I find interesting is that when Elvis performed "Little Sister" in Las Vegas in August 1970, he merged it with a different Beatles track, "Get Back" into a medley for his concert act (August 12, 1970 Midnight Show). And what's also interesting is that Elvis initially introduced "Little Sister" as a song that came out before he went into the Army but then corrected himself by saying that it came out after he was out of the Army. Which ironically correlates with the iconic Elvis quote from John Lennon regarding Elvis' death when Lennon said that "Elvis died when he went into the Army." Yet "Little Sister" was definitely a post-Army recording. What's also interesting is if you watch the documentary about songwriter Doc Pomus ("AKA Doc Pomus") they interview Pomus' daughter and she talks about Lennon wanting to sit beside her father at an awards ceremony for songwriters and how she once ran into Lennon at a grocery store and introduced herself to him as Doc Pomus' daughter and Lennon freaked out.

You could make the argument that Elvis going into the Army was equivalent to John divorcing from Cynthia and marrying Yoko. I know Yoko commonly gets blamed for the breakup of the Beatles. I think for Lennon to simply expect Elvis to put out the same type of records he made in the 1950s is absurd. The other thing I wanted to mention is that there's a book that essentially goes through all of the song excerpts that the Beatles did during the "Get Back" sessions and there were a few songs such as "It's Now Or Never" and "Wild In The Country" that were done. I think "I Got Stung" was another that comes to mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWWZSu4e5cI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZnm_s3wZeo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8slFV8s3yI

John certainly did like some post army Elvis recordings and has said so in at least one interview I know of. But he preferred the 50s Elvis, like most Elvis fans, and felt he just wasn't the same when he left the army. Realistically, there are also a lot of Elvis fans that feel the same way as John. I know some Elvis fans that don't dig Elvis' at all after 1958.

At the time Elvis died John was in Japan and he was pressurised into making a comment about Elvis' death from the media/press, and just to quickly gave an answer for them he just quipped "Elvis died in the army".

For me, I also prefer the 50s Elvis, he was at his best. While I like some stuff post army and he certainly put every effort into recording "Elvis Is Back" as much as the effort he made to recording stuff in the 50s, I still feel he wasn't the same man. Something destroyed him.

As for a "jam session" when they met in 65, I couldn't careless if there was one or not. They met and that's all that matters.
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Re: When The Beatles Met Elvis

Postby John » Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:18 am

Mojo Filter wrote:But he preferred the 50s Elvis, like most Elvis fans


Really? Like most Elvis fans? Do you have the proof for this? Was there an international survey of Elvis fans done that I missed?

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Re: When The Beatles Met Elvis

Postby Mojo Filter » Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:38 am

John wrote:
Mojo Filter wrote:But he preferred the 50s Elvis, like most Elvis fans


Really? Like most Elvis fans? Do you have the proof for this? Was there an international survey of Elvis fans done that I missed?
No I don't have proof but i would say yes. But thousands of them don't visit messageboards or even buy books, magazines they just like the music but 50s only and don't dig post army Elvis. I've met a fair few myself.
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Re: When The Beatles Met Elvis

Postby John » Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:03 am

Mojo Filter wrote:
John wrote:
Mojo Filter wrote:But he preferred the 50s Elvis, like most Elvis fans


Really? Like most Elvis fans? Do you have the proof for this? Was there an international survey of Elvis fans done that I missed?
No I don't have proof but i would say yes. But thousands of them don't visit messageboards or even buy books, magazines they just like the music but 50s only and don't dig post army Elvis. I've met a fair few myself.

Well that's good enough for me!


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Re: When The Beatles Met Elvis

Postby reg » Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:00 pm

DarylR wrote:
Elvisinvegas wrote:We seem to get different versions of this meeting every time. But I wonder if John had the balls to say Elvis he had been crap since 1958.


I know we discussed this here before, but it appears that John borrowed the intro of Elvis' 1961 recording of "Little Sister" for The Beatles "The Ballad of John and Yoko." So clearly Lennon must have at least liked one of Elvis' post-Army recordings. I'm sure there are others. What I find interesting is that when Elvis performed "Little Sister" in Las Vegas in August 1970, he merged it with a different Beatles track, "Get Back" into a medley for his concert act (August 12, 1970 Midnight Show). And what's also interesting is that Elvis initially introduced "Little Sister" as a song that came out before he went into the Army but then corrected himself by saying that it came out after he was out of the Army. Which ironically correlates with the iconic Elvis quote from John Lennon regarding Elvis' death when Lennon said that "Elvis died when he went into the Army." Yet "Little Sister" was definitely a post-Army recording. What's also interesting is if you watch the documentary about songwriter Doc Pomus ("AKA Doc Pomus") they interview Pomus' daughter and she talks about Lennon wanting to sit beside her father at an awards ceremony for songwriters and how she once ran into Lennon at a grocery store and introduced herself to him as Doc Pomus' daughter and Lennon freaked out.

You could make the argument that Elvis going into the Army was equivalent to John divorcing from Cynthia and marrying Yoko. I know Yoko commonly gets blamed for the breakup of the Beatles. I think for Lennon to simply expect Elvis to put out the same type of records he made in the 1950s is absurd. The other thing I wanted to mention is that there's a book that essentially goes through all of the song excerpts that the Beatles did during the "Get Back" sessions and there were a few songs such as "It's Now Or Never" and "Wild In The Country" that were done. I think "I Got Stung" was another that comes to mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWWZSu4e5cI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZnm_s3wZeo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8slFV8s3yI



Cool post but you have the wrong song for the Beatles song, its the Burnette Trio recording that was borrowed. And theres a book that lists a lot of Elvis songs the Beatles did at their early shows before they got big and it includes plenty of songs after he came out in the army. One I remember is Wooden Heart, another is Its Now Of Never.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSXOeAh2nqU

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Re: When The Beatles Met Elvis

Postby Mister Moon » Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:31 pm

DarylR wrote:I know we discussed this here before, but it appears that John borrowed the intro of Elvis' 1961 recording of "Little Sister" for The Beatles "The Ballad of John and Yoko." So clearly Lennon must have at least liked one of Elvis' post-Army recordings.


Come on, let's not go there again. This is just a supposition, nothing else :

Similarities between Little Sister and a Beatles song
https://www.theelvisforum-phoenix.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11230&p=136110&hilit=jackson#p136110



DarylR wrote:Lennon said that "Elvis died when he went into the Army." Yet "Little Sister" was definitely a post-Army recording.


Of course, Lennon's quote was not meant to be taken literally. John meant that Elvis post-Army career was in many ways a disappointment for many who had followed his career since the beginning. No more, no less, than that.

I'm sure John liked many songs Elvis cut post-1960.



DarylR wrote:You could make the argument that Elvis going into the Army was equivalent to John divorcing from Cynthia and marrying Yoko.


Yoko was an inspiration for John. I don't know if the same could be said about Cynthia.


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Re: When The Beatles Met Elvis

Postby Hard Rocker » Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:54 pm

Yup. Where would we be without Two Virgins. :)

For me, by '67 most of Lennon's best work was already behind him.


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Re: When The Beatles Met Elvis

Postby Bill B » Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:16 am

Hard Rocker wrote:Yup. Where would we be without Two Virgins. :)

For me, by '67 most of Lennon's best work was already behind him.

I know I am in the minority but I don't Yoko was a good for John Lennon at all, She drove him away from his band [Just read Beatles anthology George goes into a little detail about this] She didn't like or want his son visiting him even on those rare occasions John made the effort, forced her garbage music on him and his band and their record label and let's not forget she didn't allow Sean's bodyguard to beef up security around them within weeks of his death because she said they had an album to promote and the cosmos said there was no danger. Yeah smart woman one could argue she was his Tom Parker.


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Re: When The Beatles Met Elvis

Postby Hard Rocker » Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:12 pm

Lennon had the pick of the hottest, most charismatic and intelligent women of the 60's, yet he fell hard for this rather plain looking woman with a load of conceptual art pretensions though not much discernible talent. It's a strange world.

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Re: When The Beatles Met Elvis

Postby Colin B » Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:15 pm

Hard Rocker wrote:Lennon had the pick of the hottest, most charismatic and intelligent women of the 60's, yet he fell hard for this rather plain looking woman with a load of conceptual art pretensions though not much discernible talent. It's a strange world.


His explanation at the time was "She's like me in drag !"
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Re: When The Beatles Met Elvis

Postby Hard Rocker » Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:20 pm

Yeah, that's why she liked him he says.... but I was chatting more about what he saw in her!


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Re: When The Beatles Met Elvis

Postby Hard Rocker » Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:15 am

Dunno about The Ballad of John & Yoko being similar to Little Sister but the bass line is a direct lift of Don't Be Cruel and the vocal melody is reminiscent of That's Alright Mama.


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