My Unhappiness

[cadillac-elvis]

Early 1956 - Elvis says they "still have the record at home, it's worn so thin".(Robert Carlton Brown, interview)

In late 56 Elvis says he "lost the dub on it" (Million dollar quartet).

So from the words of Elvis It would appear he lost possession of the acetate sometime in 1956, though it's possible that the second acetate was conflated into the story (including magazines etc).

But the first acetate appears to be gone by December 1956.

Kevan Budd.

Yes, at any time in these stories there can be conflating.

Perhaps Elvis or the magazine article was referring to first or second one depending.... We just never know.

But Joan Deary seeing the words, "My Happiness" on the disc label in 1980 says alot.

In both instances though, the Ed Leek story makes no sense.

[Colin B]

Yes, at any time in these stories there can be conflating.

Perhaps Elvis or the magazine article was referring to first or second one depending.... We just never know.

But Joan Deary seeing the words, "My Happiness" on the disc label in 1980 says a lot.

In both instances though, the Ed Leek story makes no sense.

I think we can ignore the input from Ed Leek.

[Mister Moon]

I have never believed Leek's story either.

Anyway, there's too much conjecture and confusion regarding the first acetate and we should stick to the facts, as Kevan did above.

It"s a fact that as early as in mid-to-late 1956 the Presley family owned just the "Casual Love Affair" acetate, as told by Gladys to the "Vancouver Sun"'s Penny Wise.

Therefore, Joan Deary's story must have been inaccurate. She probably saw the CLA acetate, not the first one.

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[Colin B]

For many years, all that was known about the second acetate was the titles of the two songs on it:

[It Wouldn't Be The Same] Without You/Casual Love Affair. [Courtesy of Marion Keisker's recollection]

When finally released in 1997 the flip side turned out to be I'll Never Stand In Your Way [we got the Without You side in 1999].

This led to speculation that Casual Love Affair was one side of a third undiscovered acetate with an unknown song on the flip.

The truth of this has never been satisfactorily nailed.

[alberta sheffield]

Yes, at any time in these stories there can be conflating.

Perhaps Elvis or the magazine article was referring to first or second one depending.... We just never know.

But Joan Deary seeing the words, "My Happiness" on the disc label in 1980 says a lot.

In both instances though, the Ed Leek story makes no sense.

I think we can ignore the input from Ed Leek.

But he provided the acetate, didn't he?
He provided the acetate to the record company still, true?

[alberta sheffield]

For many years, all that was known about the second acetate was the titles of the two songs on it:

[It Wouldn't Be The Same] Without You/Casual Love Affair. [Courtesy of Marion Keisker's recollection]

When finally released in 1999 the flip side turned out to be I'll Never Stand In Your Way [we got the Without You side in 1997].

It was the other way around. "I'll never stand in your way" was released in 1997 on Platinum and the other one in 1999.

[Mister Moon]

For many years, all that was known about the second acetate was the titles of the two songs on it:

[It Wouldn't Be The Same] Without You/Casual Love Affair. [Courtesy of Marion Keisker's recollection]

When finally released in 1999 the flip side turned out to be I'll Never Stand In Your Way [we got the Without You side in 1997].

This led to speculation that Casual Love Affair was one side of a third undiscovered acetate with an unknown song on the flip.

The truth of this has never been satisfactorily nailed.

Colin, the contents of the "second" acetate were known as early as 1956. Check out the clipping I posted above.

[Colin B]

For many years, all that was known about the second acetate was the titles of the two songs on it:

[It Wouldn't Be The Same] Without You/Casual Love Affair. [Courtesy of Marion Keisker's recollection]

When finally released in 1999 the flip side turned out to be I'll Never Stand In Your Way [we got the Without You side in 1997].

It was the other way around. "I'll never stand in your way" was released in 1997 on Platinum and the other one in 1999.

You're right, thanks !

Now corrected in my post.

[Keith]

So I was right with my assumption, in the notes on my site for years now, that the title 'Casual Love Affair' was wrong, and it was just someone mis-remembering the lyrics to 'It Wouldn't Be The Same (Without You) '.

It is possible that this second acetate had been originally incorrectly listed as being 'I'll Never Stand In Your Way' / 'Casual Love' (or 'Careless Love') by someone hearing the lyrics "I wasted my love on a careless romance" (which is sung twice during the song) while listening to 'It Wouldn't Be The Same (Without You)', and then not quite catching the title. This could explain quite a lot!

Basically, there never was any 'Casual Love Affair' acetate, and it was in fact 'It Wouldn't Be The Same (Without You) ' and 'I'll Never Stand In Your Way' on the acetate. This makes perfect sense.

This clipping is new to me, but explains a lot!

Thanks, Mister Moon

Keith

I have never believed Leek's story either.

Anyway, there's too much conjecture and confusion regarding the first acetate and we should stick to the facts, as Kevan did above.

It"s a fact that as early as in mid-to-late 1956 the Presley family owned just the "Casual Love Affair" acetate, as told by Gladys to the "Vancouver Sun"'s Penny Wise.

Therefore, Joan Deary's story must have been inaccurate. She probably saw the CLA acetate, not the first one.


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[cadillac-elvis]

So I was right with my assumption, in the notes on my site for years now, that the title 'Casual Love Affair' was wrong, and it was just someone mis-remembering the lyrics to 'It Wouldn't Be The Same (Without You) '.

It is possible that this second acetate had been originally incorrectly listed as being 'I'll Never Stand In Your Way' / 'Casual Love' (or 'Careless Love') by someone hearing the lyrics "I wasted my love on a careless romance" (which is sung twice during the song) while listening to 'It Wouldn't Be The Same (Without You)', and then not quite catching the title. This could explain quite a lot!

Basically, there never was any 'Casual Love Affair' acetate, and it was in fact 'It Wouldn't Be The Same (Without You) ' and 'I'll Never Stand In Your Way' on the acetate. This makes perfect sense.

This clipping is new to me, but explains a lot!

Thanks, Mister Moon

Keith

I have never believed Leek's story either.

Anyway, there's too much conjecture and confusion regarding the first acetate and we should stick to the facts, as Kevan did above.

It"s a fact that as early as in mid-to-late 1956 the Presley family owned just the "Casual Love Affair" acetate, as told by Gladys to the "Vancouver Sun"'s Penny Wise.

Therefore, Joan Deary's story must have been inaccurate. She probably saw the CLA acetate, not the first one.


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I think everyone figured there was no title , Casual love affair, after the second acetate was found, unless ....... of course.....

there was another acetate cut ( a third one) , and that's where the title came from. But there never was a registered song

of that title, so that is unprobable. The only thing I can't wrap my head around is that if Sam was there on that second visit, and Marion was not,

then why have I always understood that Marion got that title wrong? Would that title not come from Sam?

What is the source of that title? does anyone know? Gladys, Elvis' mother, from that article?

[minze]

I thought I would revive this thread because I too think there are major holes in the ownership of the "My Happiness" / "That's When Your Heartaches Begin" acetate recording from 1953. Recently, Lisa Marie Presley's memoir that was finished by her daughter, Riley Keough, From Here to the Great Unknown: A Memoir was published and there's a great thing that Lisa said in the aftermath of Elvis's death.

That afternoon, once they took him away -- and this is something I've been upset about my whole life -- it turned into a free-for all. Everybody went to town. Everything was swiped, wiped clean--jewelry, artifacts, personal items--before he was even pronounced dead. You can still find things from that day coming up at auction.

billy and jo smith were recently asked on their youtube channel about stolen items following elvis's death, and they said they couldn't say one way or the other. jo said there were a lot of people in the house during the funeral and while it's possible they could've picked something up, she sure wouldn't accuse anyone of something like that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QawZw-M5L_o i'm just wondering what kind of despicable human being would steal from a dead man holy crap and are these the people elvis called friends and family

One of the things that she claimed when he spoke to her is that in 1980 when she went to Graceland to research for several future releases including things such as the Elvis Aron Presley silver box set, the This Is Elvis soundtrack and future volumes of the A Legendary Performer series, the "My Happiness" / "That's When Your Heartaches Begin" acetate was still in Elvis's estate's possession. From my understanding, this visit occurred around the time filming was being done at Graceland for This Is Elvis in 1980. She marked the recording as something to pursue down the road for a future release. When she returned to Graceland approximately 2-3 years later (1982-1983) and was looking for material for A Legendary Performer Vol. 4, the acetate was gone. Fast forward to 1988 when Ed Leek came forward with possession of the acetate and ironically (or maybe not so ironic) is that the acetate recording debuted on the 1990 home video and soundtrack release to The Great Performances. This Is Elvis was written and directed by Malcolm Leo and Andrew Solt. Solt also wrote, directed, and was an executive producer on The Great Performances. Coincidence??? Methinksnot!!! I'm not accusing Solt of being the person who stole the acetate or anything such as that but at the same time I definitely do not believe Ed Leek's story.

ed leek worked with TWA from 1960 - 1988. i don't know when he moved to florida. if the acetate was at graceland, then wouldn't billy and jo smith along with others living at graceland have heard it? maybe ask billy and jo!! they're real chatty, sometimes talking about chickens and dogs and such, but if you speed up the vid, it's kind of entertaining.

[Mister Moon]

So I was right with my assumption, in the notes on my site for years now, that the title 'Casual Love Affair' was wrong, and it was just someone mis-remembering the lyrics to 'It Wouldn't Be The Same (Without You) '.

It is possible that this second acetate had been originally incorrectly listed as being 'I'll Never Stand In Your Way' / 'Casual Love' (or 'Careless Love') by someone hearing the lyrics "I wasted my love on a careless romance" (which is sung twice during the song) while listening to 'It Wouldn't Be The Same (Without You)', and then not quite catching the title. This could explain quite a lot!

Basically, there never was any 'Casual Love Affair' acetate, and it was in fact 'It Wouldn't Be The Same (Without You) ' and 'I'll Never Stand In Your Way' on the acetate. This makes perfect sense.

This clipping is new to me, but explains a lot!

Thanks, Mister Moon

Keith

I have never believed Leek's story either.

Anyway, there's too much conjecture and confusion regarding the first acetate and we should stick to the facts, as Kevan did above.

It"s a fact that as early as in mid-to-late 1956 the Presley family owned just the "Casual Love Affair" acetate, as told by Gladys to the "Vancouver Sun"'s Penny Wise.

Therefore, Joan Deary's story must have been inaccurate. She probably saw the CLA acetate, not the first one.


561009 - 02 - 02.JPG

I think everyone figured there was no title , Casual love affair, after the second acetate was found, unless ....... of course.....

there was another acetate cut ( a third one) , and that's where the title came from. But there never was a registered song

of that title, so that is unprobable. The only thing I can't wrap my head around is that if Sam was there on that second visit, and Marion was not,

then why have I always understood that Marion got that title wrong? Would that title not come from Sam?

What is the source of that title? does anyone know? Gladys, Elvis' mother, from that article?

We have discussed this more than once. I will copy and paste some of the stuff :

As far as I know, the titles for both acetates were first mentioned in the summer of 1956 in Robert Johnson's "Elvis Presley Speaks !" magazine (Rave Publishing, New York) :

Acetates Johnson.jpg

So, there was no need for a "source". Johnson actually listened to the acetate. This completely discards anybody's bad recall of the titles.

I tend to believe what Robert Johnson wrote. I don't believe the theory that "Casual Love Affair" is a miswritten / misremembered title for another song. By the way, there's already the hint that the Presleys didn't own the first acetate anymore.

Then, there is the later Penny Wise 1956 article I also posted, which also mentions those two titles and the fact that the Presleys still owned the acetate at that point, as explained by Gladys.

The fact that no trace has been found for a song of that title is no definitive statement that it couldn't exist. It simply has not been found.

It wouldn't be out of character for Elvis to give a certain song, "I'll Never Stand In Your Way" in this case, another try, in order to improve what he might have judged a flawed performance.

It seems like the discovery of the so-called second acetate has completely erased the "Casual Love Affair" matter forever. There's not even a mention of it in any of the recent Elvis works, which is very surprising. Gotta love official information.

I really hope someday we will be able to solve this mystery, but it makes me a bit sad to see that possibility discarded when there is strong evidence, not just rumours, supporting it.

[cadillac-elvis]

So I was right with my assumption, in the notes on my site for years now, that the title 'Casual Love Affair' was wrong, and it was just someone mis-remembering the lyrics to 'It Wouldn't Be The Same (Without You) '.

It is possible that this second acetate had been originally incorrectly listed as being 'I'll Never Stand In Your Way' / 'Casual Love' (or 'Careless Love') by someone hearing the lyrics "I wasted my love on a careless romance" (which is sung twice during the song) while listening to 'It Wouldn't Be The Same (Without You)', and then not quite catching the title. This could explain quite a lot!

Basically, there never was any 'Casual Love Affair' acetate, and it was in fact 'It Wouldn't Be The Same (Without You) ' and 'I'll Never Stand In Your Way' on the acetate. This makes perfect sense.

This clipping is new to me, but explains a lot!

Thanks, Mister Moon

Keith

I have never believed Leek's story either.

Anyway, there's too much conjecture and confusion regarding the first acetate and we should stick to the facts, as Kevan did above.

It"s a fact that as early as in mid-to-late 1956 the Presley family owned just the "Casual Love Affair" acetate, as told by Gladys to the "Vancouver Sun"'s Penny Wise.

Therefore, Joan Deary's story must have been inaccurate. She probably saw the CLA acetate, not the first one.


561009 - 02 - 02.JPG

I think everyone figured there was no title , Casual love affair, after the second acetate was found, unless ....... of course.....

there was another acetate cut ( a third one) , and that's where the title came from. But there never was a registered song

of that title, so that is unprobable. The only thing I can't wrap my head around is that if Sam was there on that second visit, and Marion was not,

then why have I always understood that Marion got that title wrong? Would that title not come from Sam?

What is the source of that title? does anyone know? Gladys, Elvis' mother, from that article?

We have discussed this more than once. I will copy and paste some of the stuff :

As far as I know, the titles for both acetates were first mentioned in the summer of 1956 in Robert Johnson's "Elvis Presley Speaks !" magazine (Rave Publishing, New York) :


Acetates Johnson.jpg

So, there was no need for a "source". Johnson actually listened to the acetate. This completely discards anybody's bad recall of the titles.

I tend to believe what Robert Johnson wrote. I don't believe the theory that "Casual Love Affair" is a miswritten / misremembered title for another song. By the way, there's already the hint that the Presleys didn't own the first acetate anymore.

Then, there is the later Penny Wise 1956 article I also posted, which also mentions those two titles and the fact that the Presleys still owned the acetate at that point, as explained by Gladys.

The fact that no trace has been found for a song of that title is no definitive statement that it couldn't exist. It simply has not been found.

It wouldn't be out of character for Elvis to give a certain song, "I'll Never Stand In Your Way" in this case, another try, in order to improve what he might have judged a flawed performance.

It seems like the discovery of the so-called second acetate has completely erased the "Casual Love Affair" matter forever. There's not even a mention of it in any of the recent Elvis works, which is very surprising. Gotta love official information.

I really hope someday we will be able to solve this mystery, but it makes me a bit sad to see that possibility discarded when there is strong evidence, not just rumours, supporting it.

Ok, but hold on just a second. Mr. Johnson states he listened as his parents played, "the record"....

but which "one"? It doesn't exactly specify exactly which one. If it's the My happiness one, then fine, there is no mystery there.

They may not have played the other one for him.

If there is only 2 acetates recorded we don't have a problem, and it was some misremembered title.

And I tend to partially agree with you about it being remembered correctly because I used to try to

figure the title of random songs just by listening to them......and "it wouldn't be the same without you", is the logical title, not

some lyric from the bridge....no way does "Casual love affair" come from "love from a careless romance"....the word "casual" is not even there.

So, that is why I lean toward there being a third acetate.

Now, Elvis never said he made 3 personal records, he never even said, he made 2 personal records. He always referred to only
making one whenever he told the story. So, he conflated 2 or 3 into one personal disc being done. And when he did refer to it,
it was "my happiness" and "that old ink spots song"....which he did refer by title during the Million dollar quartette. And then he sang it, so there is no question on the first one. I don't think I know of any instance where Elvis referred to the second acetate that was made.

It's strange how Mr. Johnson refers to the first record as a collectors item and the second one as the one he made for his mother.

And then his mother is smiling as she plays it. And this is the paragraph in which he is talking about the second one....
My gut feeling is, she was playing the second record. But there is too many unknowns to really be sure.

I too, hope this mystery is solved.