The Most likely Unreleased Sun tune to be issued is.....

[Colin B]

Don't condemn Ernst & Roger too hastily.
I reckon they are Elvis supporters & would like to do the best they can for other fans.
But they work for a commercial company which wants to squeeze maximum profit out of the product.
This leads to them having to do things [like holding back the flip sides of the acetates] that satisfy their employer's financial needs,
even if this is sometimes annoying [& expensive] for the rest of us.

For clarity, here are the release dates for the 4 acetate sides:

____________________________________________________________________
My Happiness
On 1990 album: Great Performances.

the flipside:
That's When Your Heartaches Begin
On 1992 5-CD set: The Complete 50's Masters - The King of Rock 'n' Roll
____________________________________________________________________
I'll Never Stand in Your Way
On 1997 4-CD set: Platinum - A Life in Music

The flipside:
[It Won't Seem the Same] Without You
On 1999 2-CD set: Sunrise
____________________________________________________________________

Can't see any logic in the 2 year gaps between sides of the same acetates apart from commercial greed...

[John]

Don't condemn Ernst & Roger too hastily.
I reckon they are Elvis supporters & would like to do the best they can for other fans.
But they work for a commercial company which wants to squeeze maximum profit out of the product.
This leads to them having to do things [like holding back the flip sides of the acetates] that satisfy their employer's financial needs,
even if this is sometimes annoying [& expensive] for the rest of us.

For clarity, here are the release dates for the 4 acetate sides:

____________________________________________________________________
My Happiness
On 1990 album: Great Performances.

the flipside:
That's When Your Heartaches Begin
On 1992 5-CD set: The Complete 50's Masters - The King of Rock 'n' Roll
____________________________________________________________________
I'll Never Stand in Your Way
On 1997 4-CD set: Platinum - A Life in Music

The flipside:
[It Won't Seem the Same] Without You
On 1999 2-CD set: Sunrise
____________________________________________________________________

Can't see any logic in the 2 year gaps between sides of the same acetates apart from commercial greed...

Daft, I call it.

[cadillac-elvis]

Don't condemn Ernst & Roger too hastily.
I reckon they are Elvis supporters & would like to do the best they can for other fans.
But they work for a commercial company which wants to squeeze maximum profit out of the product.
This leads to them having to do things [like holding back the flip sides of the acetates] that satisfy their employer's financial needs,
even if this is sometimes annoying [& expensive] for the rest of us.

For clarity, here are the release dates for the 4 acetate sides:

____________________________________________________________________
My Happiness
On 1990 album: Great Performances.

the flipside:
That's When Your Heartaches Begin
On 1992 5-CD set: The Complete 50's Masters - The King of Rock 'n' Roll
____________________________________________________________________
I'll Never Stand in Your Way
On 1997 4-CD set: Platinum - A Life in Music

The flipside:
[It Won't Seem the Same] Without You
On 1999 2-CD set: Sunrise
____________________________________________________________________

Can't see any logic in the 2 year gaps between sides of the same acetates apart from commercial greed...

And that's the way they do it all the time.

And using my example of "holding back",
the list of releases would be very long to show
how they pieced out the sections of the
1959 germany home recordings.
Talk about daft.......but then MRS comes along and
puts out a beautiful complete set.

[Mojo Filter]

Don't condemn Ernst & Roger too hastily.
I reckon they are Elvis supporters & would like to do the best they can for other fans.
But they work for a commercial company which wants to squeeze maximum profit out of the product.
This leads to them having to do things [like holding back the flip sides of the acetates] that satisfy their employer's financial needs,
even if this is sometimes annoying [& expensive] for the rest of us.

For clarity, here are the release dates for the 4 acetate sides:

____________________________________________________________________
My Happiness
On 1990 album: Great Performances.

the flipside:
That's When Your Heartaches Begin
On 1992 5-CD set: The Complete 50's Masters - The King of Rock 'n' Roll
____________________________________________________________________
I'll Never Stand in Your Way
On 1997 4-CD set: Platinum - A Life in Music

The flipside:
[It Won't Seem the Same] Without You
On 1999 2-CD set: Sunrise
____________________________________________________________________

Can't see any logic in the 2 year gaps between sides of the same acetates apart from commercial greed...

That's how these companies operate. It's just waiting for the opportunity to release things that will make the product sell more. So splitting the acetate songs apart and releasing them on different projects will make the interest of more value by arousing the fans curiosity in buying the product. If they had released it all in one hit then that would be it and maybe future products might not sell as well. That's just my guess.

I remember very clearly when "My Happiness" was first published. You could actually phone up a number and listen to it on the phone. Remember that?

When they finally released it I thought to myself, "when are they gonna release the other side?". Of course when "That's When Your Heartaches Begin" was finally released and the excitement of wanting to hear it we all had to go out and buy the release it was on. So that's good marketing really, from a business point of view.

[cadillac-elvis]

Don't condemn Ernst & Roger too hastily.
I reckon they are Elvis supporters & would like to do the best they can for other fans.
But they work for a commercial company which wants to squeeze maximum profit out of the product.
This leads to them having to do things [like holding back the flip sides of the acetates] that satisfy their employer's financial needs,
even if this is sometimes annoying [& expensive] for the rest of us.

For clarity, here are the release dates for the 4 acetate sides:

____________________________________________________________________
My Happiness
On 1990 album: Great Performances.

the flipside:
That's When Your Heartaches Begin
On 1992 5-CD set: The Complete 50's Masters - The King of Rock 'n' Roll
____________________________________________________________________
I'll Never Stand in Your Way
On 1997 4-CD set: Platinum - A Life in Music

The flipside:
[It Won't Seem the Same] Without You
On 1999 2-CD set: Sunrise
____________________________________________________________________

Can't see any logic in the 2 year gaps between sides of the same acetates apart from commercial greed...

That's how these companies operate. It's just waiting for the opportunity to release things that will make the product sell more. So splitting the acetate songs apart and releasing them on different projects will make the interest of more value by arousing the fans curiosity in buying the product. If they had released it all in one hit then that would be it and maybe future products might not sell as well. That's just my guess.

I remember very clearly when "My Happiness" was first published. You could actually phone up a number and listen to it on the phone. Remember that?

When they finally released it I thought to myself, "when are they gonna release the other side?". Of course when "That's When Your Heartaches Begin" was finally released and the excitement of wanting to hear it we all had to go out and buy the release it was on. So that's good marketing really, from a business point of view.

I agree with all you wrote. That's how they do it.
So, when someone comes along and says they don't hold back material,
they are not being realistic.
Mojo, do you think the Sun era period is completely depleted at this point, or
do you think they will "discover" something to include in the next historical retrospective?

[Mojo Filter]

Don't condemn Ernst & Roger too hastily.
I reckon they are Elvis supporters & would like to do the best they can for other fans.
But they work for a commercial company which wants to squeeze maximum profit out of the product.
This leads to them having to do things [like holding back the flip sides of the acetates] that satisfy their employer's financial needs,
even if this is sometimes annoying [& expensive] for the rest of us.

For clarity, here are the release dates for the 4 acetate sides:

____________________________________________________________________
My Happiness
On 1990 album: Great Performances.

the flipside:
That's When Your Heartaches Begin
On 1992 5-CD set: The Complete 50's Masters - The King of Rock 'n' Roll
____________________________________________________________________
I'll Never Stand in Your Way
On 1997 4-CD set: Platinum - A Life in Music

The flipside:
[It Won't Seem the Same] Without You
On 1999 2-CD set: Sunrise
____________________________________________________________________

Can't see any logic in the 2 year gaps between sides of the same acetates apart from commercial greed...

That's how these companies operate. It's just waiting for the opportunity to release things that will make the product sell more. So splitting the acetate songs apart and releasing them on different projects will make the interest of more value by arousing the fans curiosity in buying the product. If they had released it all in one hit then that would be it and maybe future products might not sell as well. That's just my guess.

I remember very clearly when "My Happiness" was first published. You could actually phone up a number and listen to it on the phone. Remember that?

When they finally released it I thought to myself, "when are they gonna release the other side?". Of course when "That's When Your Heartaches Begin" was finally released and the excitement of wanting to hear it we all had to go out and buy the release it was on. So that's good marketing really, from a business point of view.

I agree with all you wrote. That's how they do it.
So, when someone comes along and says they don't hold back material,
they are not being realistic.
Mojo, do you think the Sun era period is completely depleted at this point, or
do you think they will "discover" something to include in the next historical retrospective?

To answer your question: who knows what the future may hold!!

[Colin B]

...Mojo, do you think the Sun era period is completely depleted at this point, or
do you think they will "discover" something to include in the next historical retrospective?

To answer your question: who knows what the future may hold!!

I don't think Ernst held anything back from the Sun era on the A Boy From Tupelo release !

If we're to get anything else now it will be from a 'newly discovered' source...

[Mojo Filter]

...Mojo, do you think the Sun era period is completely depleted at this point, or
do you think they will "discover" something to include in the next historical retrospective?

To answer your question: who knows what the future may hold!!

I don't think Ernst held anything back from the Sun era on the A Boy From Tupelo release !

If we're to get anything else now it will be from a 'newly discovered' source...

Indeed.

[John]

I've scanned a few pages from the album of juke box favourites which I thought might be of interest to some.

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[cadillac-elvis]

Very cool John , Thanks.
One wonders if TSN, was planned as one
of the songs to be on his first LP.
I feel so strong about this song
having been recorded at Sun, that
I really do feel one day it will come out.

[John]

Very cool John , Thanks.
One wonders if TSN, was planned as one
of the songs to be on his first LP.
I feel so strong about this song
having been recorded at Sun, that
I really do feel one day it will come out.

We can only hope, but we may never know.

[cadillac-elvis]

Very cool John , Thanks.
One wonders if TSN, was planned as one
of the songs to be on his first LP.
I feel so strong about this song
having been recorded at Sun, that
I really do feel one day it will come out.

We can only hope, but we may never know.

Very true.....If you have listened to any of the number of
cover versions, you can easily tell that it is a tune
that was right up Elvis' alley at the time.

And could this be one of the tunes labeled on the box, "That's all right" & 2 other selections, because
this title would not be easily identified from the song since it's never mentioned in the song itself.

[John]

Very cool John , Thanks.
One wonders if TSN, was planned as one
of the songs to be on his first LP.
I feel so strong about this song
having been recorded at Sun, that
I really do feel one day it will come out.

We can only hope, but we may never know.

Very true.....If you have listened to any of the number of
cover versions, you can easily tell that it is a tune
that was right up Elvis' alley at the time.

And could this be one of the tunes labeled on the box, "That's all right" & 2 other selections, because
this title would not be easily identified from the song since it's never mentioned in the song itself.

I don't know. My philosophy is what will be will be.

[Mojo Filter]

Very cool John , Thanks.
One wonders if TSN, was planned as one
of the songs to be on his first LP.
I feel so strong about this song
having been recorded at Sun, that
I really do feel one day it will come out.

We can only hope, but we may never know.

Very true.....If you have listened to any of the number of
cover versions, you can easily tell that it is a tune
that was right up Elvis' alley at the time.

And could this be one of the tunes labeled on the box, "That's all right" & 2 other selections, because
this title would not be easily identified from the song since it's never mentioned in the song itself.

There are a lot of tunes at the time that were "right up Elvis' alley" that he could have tackled, but anyone of them could have been done, and some he did that we know of, but there's no guarantee that "Tennessee Saturday Night" was one of them.

I'm not hopeful or optimistic that the song was ever done by Elvis for the reasons i've stated already in this topic, and I believe those reasons are strong enough to suggest he never recorded it at Sun. And I think Ernst Jorgensen goes along with it judging by interviews he given when talking about his 20year research for his ABFT book. He said, "this book is not about great finds like Tennessee Saturday Night or Oakie Boogie because i have no reason to believe he ever did them". meaning he never found any evidence, and he chased up every rumour that as ever been known and all came to nothing. Most of it was just pure fantasy and fabrication.

Regarding the tape box with "That's All Right" & 2 other selections written on it can only be guess at. Jorgensen's theory is that if the "2 other selections" were songs recorded by Elvis why didn't Steve Sholes write down the titles of the "2 other selections" on the box, like he did with the others when requiring the tapes from Sun and ask to go through them to see what was on them? Jorgensen concludes that they could be other artists that Sholes didn't know who they were and just wrote "2 other selections" on the box. But without that tape we will never know.

[cadillac-elvis]

Yes, Ernst is paid to keep the secrets.
By the time he wrote his book,
too many people had died, and too much time
had gone by for him to come up with much in the way
of session notes.
It's too bad no one did investigation like this way back when.
All we have now is circumstantial evidence and speculation.