The Most likely Unreleased Sun tune to be issued is.....

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Re: The Most likely Unreleased Sun tune to be issued is.....

Postby Mister Moon » Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:07 pm

In case somebody hasn't heard it, here's the original version of "Tennessee Saturday Night". It was recorded in 1947 by Red Foley and The Cumberland Valley Boys for Decca, and first released one year later. I listened to this recording for the first time thanks to an excellent Charly LP some lady brought me as a gift for my birthday, around 1984 :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMhND4E9Jho



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Re: The Most likely Unreleased Sun tune to be issued is.....

Postby John » Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:33 pm

Mister Moon wrote:In case somebody hasn't heard it, here's the original version of "Tennessee Saturday Night". It was recorded in 1947 by Red Foley and The Cumberland Valley Boys for Decca, and first released one year later. I listened to this recording for the first time thanks to an excellent Charly LP some lady brought me as a gift for my birthday, around 1984 :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMhND4E9Jho



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I worked it out from the sheet music I had. I was just beginning to learn to play guitar back then in the mid 60s, and there was no such thing as the internet and there was no where else that I knew of where you could hear the song. I learned the notes and the chords and practised it over and over.

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Re: The Most likely Unreleased Sun tune to be issued is.....

Postby cadillac-elvis » Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:38 am

John wrote:
Mister Moon wrote:In case somebody hasn't heard it, here's the original version of "Tennessee Saturday Night". It was recorded in 1947 by Red Foley and The Cumberland Valley Boys for Decca, and first released one year later. I listened to this recording for the first time thanks to an excellent Charly LP some lady brought me as a gift for my birthday, around 1984 :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMhND4E9Jho



Foley Tenn Charly.jpg

I worked it out from the sheet music I had. I was just beginning to learn to play guitar back then in the mid 60s, and there was no such thing as the internet and there was no where else that I knew of where you could hear the song. I learned the notes and the chords and practised it over and over.

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John, is your version still unreleased?


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Re: The Most likely Unreleased Sun tune to be issued is.....

Postby Mojo Filter » Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:39 am

cadillac-elvis wrote:Yes, Ernst is paid to keep the secrets.
By the time he wrote his book,
too many people had died, and too much time
had gone by for him to come up with much in the way
of session notes.
It's too bad no one did investigation like this way back when.
All we have now is circumstantial evidence and speculation.

I doubt very much Ernst is paid to keep secrets. You sound like a fictional crime writer.
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Re: The Most likely Unreleased Sun tune to be issued is.....

Postby cadillac-elvis » Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:08 am

Mojo Filter wrote:
cadillac-elvis wrote:Yes, Ernst is paid to keep the secrets.
By the time he wrote his book,
too many people had died, and too much time
had gone by for him to come up with much in the way
of session notes.
It's too bad no one did investigation like this way back when.
All we have now is circumstantial evidence and speculation.

I doubt very much Ernst is paid to keep secrets. You sound like a fictional crime writer.


Well, how many in depth interviews has he given in the last 10 years that tells of fantastic stuff they have?
And even before that the interviews he gave didn't tell hardly anything.
I know I know, he's forbidden by Sony to spills the beans.
What beans? The secret beans, that's what beans.
He's probably right now sitting in his man cave rocking out to Elvis' version of tennessee saturday night.


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Re: The Most likely Unreleased Sun tune to be issued is.....

Postby John » Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:50 am

cadillac-elvis wrote:
John wrote:
Mister Moon wrote:In case somebody hasn't heard it, here's the original version of "Tennessee Saturday Night". It was recorded in 1947 by Red Foley and The Cumberland Valley Boys for Decca, and first released one year later. I listened to this recording for the first time thanks to an excellent Charly LP some lady brought me as a gift for my birthday, around 1984 :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMhND4E9Jho



Foley Tenn Charly.jpg

I worked it out from the sheet music I had. I was just beginning to learn to play guitar back then in the mid 60s, and there was no such thing as the internet and there was no where else that I knew of where you could hear the song. I learned the notes and the chords and practised it over and over.

EP013.jpgEP014.jpg


John, is your version still unreleased?

You'll be pleased to hear that it is.


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Re: The Most likely Unreleased Sun tune to be issued is.....

Postby Mojo Filter » Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:12 pm

cadillac-elvis wrote:
Mojo Filter wrote:
cadillac-elvis wrote:Yes, Ernst is paid to keep the secrets.
By the time he wrote his book,
too many people had died, and too much time
had gone by for him to come up with much in the way
of session notes.
It's too bad no one did investigation like this way back when.
All we have now is circumstantial evidence and speculation.

I doubt very much Ernst is paid to keep secrets. You sound like a fictional crime writer.


Well, how many in depth interviews has he given in the last 10 years that tells of fantastic stuff they have?
And even before that the interviews he gave didn't tell hardly anything.
I know I know, he's forbidden by Sony to spills the beans.
What beans? The secret beans, that's what beans.
He's probably right now sitting in his man cave rocking out to Elvis' version of tennessee saturday night.

The last i heard, and from a good source, is Ernst every Sunday afternoon goes to his "man cave" and listens to 24 unreleased Sun reel tapes. While he's enjoying listening to outtakes of "Tennessee Saturday Night" and "Tiger Man" etc he's holding a glass of wine in one hand and sticking two fingers in the air with the other hand and saying to himself "fk you fans you're never going to hear these because I get paid for holding them back". :lol:
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Re: The Most likely Unreleased Sun tune to be issued is.....

Postby Colin B » Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:29 pm

Mojo Filter wrote:The last i heard, and from a good source, is Ernst every Sunday afternoon goes to his "man cave" and listens to 24 unreleased Sun reel tapes.
While he's enjoying listening to outtakes of "Tennessee Saturday Night" and "Tiger Man" etc he's holding a glass of wine in one hand and sticking two fingers in the air with the other hand and saying to himself "fk you fans you're never going to hear these because I get paid for holding them back". :lol:


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Re: The Most likely Unreleased Sun tune to be issued is.....

Postby cadillac-elvis » Fri Mar 27, 2020 6:11 pm

Mojo Filter wrote:
cadillac-elvis wrote:
Mojo Filter wrote:
cadillac-elvis wrote:Yes, Ernst is paid to keep the secrets.
By the time he wrote his book,
too many people had died, and too much time
had gone by for him to come up with much in the way
of session notes.
It's too bad no one did investigation like this way back when.
All we have now is circumstantial evidence and speculation.

I doubt very much Ernst is paid to keep secrets. You sound like a fictional crime writer.


Well, how many in depth interviews has he given in the last 10 years that tells of fantastic stuff they have?
And even before that the interviews he gave didn't tell hardly anything.
I know I know, he's forbidden by Sony to spills the beans.
What beans? The secret beans, that's what beans.
He's probably right now sitting in his man cave rocking out to Elvis' version of tennessee saturday night.

The last i heard, and from a good source, is Ernst every Sunday afternoon goes to his "man cave" and listens to 24 unreleased Sun reel tapes. While he's enjoying listening to outtakes of "Tennessee Saturday Night" and "Tiger Man" etc he's holding a glass of wine in one hand and sticking two fingers in the air with the other hand and saying to himself "fk you fans you're never going to hear these because I get paid for holding them back". :lol:


He probably has the 1945 Talent show wire recording of "old shep" as well.


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Re: The Most likely Unreleased Sun tune to be issued is.....

Postby Mojo Filter » Fri Mar 27, 2020 6:30 pm

cadillac-elvis wrote:
Mojo Filter wrote:
cadillac-elvis wrote:
Mojo Filter wrote:
cadillac-elvis wrote:Yes, Ernst is paid to keep the secrets.
By the time he wrote his book,
too many people had died, and too much time
had gone by for him to come up with much in the way
of session notes.
It's too bad no one did investigation like this way back when.
All we have now is circumstantial evidence and speculation.

I doubt very much Ernst is paid to keep secrets. You sound like a fictional crime writer.


Well, how many in depth interviews has he given in the last 10 years that tells of fantastic stuff they have?
And even before that the interviews he gave didn't tell hardly anything.
I know I know, he's forbidden by Sony to spills the beans.
What beans? The secret beans, that's what beans.
He's probably right now sitting in his man cave rocking out to Elvis' version of tennessee saturday night.

The last i heard, and from a good source, is Ernst every Sunday afternoon goes to his "man cave" and listens to 24 unreleased Sun reel tapes. While he's enjoying listening to outtakes of "Tennessee Saturday Night" and "Tiger Man" etc he's holding a glass of wine in one hand and sticking two fingers in the air with the other hand and saying to himself "fk you fans you're never going to hear these because I get paid for holding them back". :lol:


He probably has the 1945 Talent show wire recording of "old shep" as well.

He does indeed.

He also has footage of Elvis being born.
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Re: The Most likely Unreleased Sun tune to be issued is.....

Postby Colin B » Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:03 pm

cadillac-elvis wrote:He probably has the 1945 Talent show wire recording of "old shep" as well.


Yeah, but it's in mono & there's definitely a glitch in the second verse.
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Re: The Most likely Unreleased Sun tune to be issued is.....

Postby cadillac-elvis » Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:11 pm

Colin B wrote:
cadillac-elvis wrote:He probably has the 1945 Talent show wire recording of "old shep" as well.


Yeah, but it's in mono & there's definitely a glitch in the second verse.


But Ernst will edit in a line or two from the 1956 studio version to make it "listenable",
then he will get Garth Brooks to add his duet voice to it, and finally have the London Philharmonic
to create atmosphere. Oh, and the end result will be 5.1 surround sound. and viola...Elvis' new chart topper!!



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Re: The Most likely Unreleased Sun tune to be issued is.....

Postby reg » Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:35 pm

Colin B wrote:
Colin B wrote:Don't condemn Ernst & Roger too hastily.
I reckon they are Elvis supporters & would like to do the best they can for other fans.
But they work for a commercial company which wants to squeeze maximum profit out of the product.
This leads to them having to do things [like holding back the flip sides of the acetates] that satisfy their employer's financial needs,
even if this is sometimes annoying [& expensive] for the rest of us.


For clarity, here are the release dates for the 4 acetate sides:

____________________________________________________________________
My Happiness
On 1990 album: Great Performances.

the flipside:
That's When Your Heartaches Begin
On 1992 5-CD set: The Complete 50's Masters - The King of Rock 'n' Roll
____________________________________________________________________
I'll Never Stand in Your Way
On 1997 4-CD set: Platinum - A Life in Music

The flipside:
[It Won't Seem the Same] Without You
On 1999 2-CD set: Sunrise
____________________________________________________________________

Can't see any logic in the 2 year gaps between sides of the same acetates apart from commercial greed...



Its probably important to know if RCA got rights to both sides at the same time. Do you know that? If you dont then maybe they only got one side at a time. Also both gaps are less than 2 years, Aug 90 to Jun 92 and Jul 97 to Feb 99. I found a site for dates:

https://www.sergent.com.au/elvis/years90.html
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Re: The Most likely Unreleased Sun tune to be issued is.....

Postby Colin B » Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:39 pm

reg wrote:Its probably important to know if RCA got rights to both sides at the same time.
Do you know that?


No, that's a possible excuse for the delays.
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Re: The Most likely Unreleased Sun tune to be issued is.....

Postby reg » Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:41 pm

Colin B wrote:
reg wrote:Its probably important to know if RCA got rights to both sides at the same time.
Do you know that?


No, that's a possible excuse for the delays.


Yup, so maybe people dont need to go crazy over this stuff. Also not 2 year gaps, I edited my post with a link.


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