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Re: When The Beatles Met Elvis

Postby Mojo Filter » Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:47 pm

Hard Rocker wrote:I'll try to explain.

1) The Ballad of John & Yoko is played in E.

2) Dont Be Cruel is played in D.

3) The signature riff in both contains a 5 note run.

4) However the "intervals" (ie the number of tones/semi-tones between each note) in these riffs are identical.

It's either a rip-off or an extra-ordinary coincidence. Given The Beatles penchant for nicking things left, right, and centre, for me they lose the benefit of the doubt. And particularly so given their idolatry of early Elvis.

People can choose to accept this or not. However what's not up for debate is the compelling evidence that the intervals are identical. The riffs are IDENTICAL, albeit Don't Be Cruel is played in D and TBOJAY is played in E.

You're trying to make something of it.

We'll have to disagree on this one.
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Re: When The Beatles Met Elvis

Postby Hard Rocker » Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:50 pm

If any further proof is needed..... Slightly different fingering pattern but the same notes and intervals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbfAuLhXtLQ

Sing along to Don't Be Cruel to this in your head. Identical.



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Re: When The Beatles Met Elvis

Postby Hard Rocker » Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:54 pm

Mojo Filter wrote:You're trying to make something of it.


Nope. The intervals are IDENTICAL. This is not my opinion. This is observable and audible fact.

Mojo Filter wrote:We'll have to disagree on this one.


You have the right to be wrong. But it's an open and shut case.



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Re: When The Beatles Met Elvis

Postby Hard Rocker » Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:04 pm

And while our friend Mojo Filter also denies the similarity between I Saw Her Standing There and Chuck Berry's I'm Talking About You, clearly the evidence is 100% irrefutable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE6p7v5lZL8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg4n-o7oa9s

Mojo Filter wrote: Sadly, McCartney does tend to talk out of his arse at times for whatever reason(s). Being a guitar player myself I know that "I Saw Her Standing There" and "I'm talking about you" have no similarities because one is in the key of E and the other is in C so therefore McCartney can not be playing the exact same notes. Why he's said that is a bit weird.


"A bit weird", is it? "Talking out of his arse", is he?

:lol: :lol: :lol:


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Re: When The Beatles Met Elvis

Postby Mojo Filter » Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:08 pm

Hard Rocker wrote:
Mojo Filter wrote:You're trying to make something of it.


Nope. The intervals are IDENTICAL. This is not my opinion. This is observable and audible fact.

Mojo Filter wrote:We'll have to disagree on this one.


You have the right to be wrong. But it's an open and shut case.

Nope. Only in your opinion. Identical is a tad stretching it.

I'll admit when I'm wrong but in this case no such thing.

Thousands and thousands of songs play the same notes in same places on a fret board but you can't say it's copying another song identically. The two songs DBC and BOJAY are completely different in melody and structure. No one who has a knowledge in music would ever connect those two songs. As far as I know no books as ever mentioned this...only in the Elvis world. Lol
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Re: When The Beatles Met Elvis

Postby Hard Rocker » Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:09 pm

I can't help you mate. It's clear to me you haven't the first clue of what you're talking about.


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Re: When The Beatles Met Elvis

Postby Mojo Filter » Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:10 pm

Hard Rocker wrote:And while our friend Mojo Filter also denies the similarity between I Saw Her Standing There and Chuck Berry's I'm Talking About You, clearly the evidence is 100% irrefutable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE6p7v5lZL8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg4n-o7oa9s

Mojo Filter wrote: Sadly, McCartney does tend to talk out of his arse at times for whatever reason(s). Being a guitar player myself I know that "I Saw Her Standing There" and "I'm talking about you" have no similarities because one is in the key of E and the other is in C so therefore McCartney can not be playing the exact same notes. Why he's said that is a bit weird.


"A bit weird", is it? "Talking out of his arse", is he?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Keep trying. Lol
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Re: When The Beatles Met Elvis

Postby Hard Rocker » Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:12 pm

Keep talkin' out of your arse!


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Re: When The Beatles Met Elvis

Postby Mojo Filter » Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:15 pm

Hard Rocker wrote:I can't help you mate. It's clear to me you haven't the first clue of what you're talking about.

Nice try but I don't need help mate. I play guitar so I know a fair bit about musicianship.
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Re: When The Beatles Met Elvis

Postby Mojo Filter » Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:17 pm

Hard Rocker wrote:Keep talkin' out of your arse!

I stay clear of that kind of thing.
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Re: When The Beatles Met Elvis

Postby Hard Rocker » Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:19 pm

Mojo Filter wrote:I play guitar so I know a fair bit about musicianship.


You haven't a notion.



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Re: When The Beatles Met Elvis

Postby Hard Rocker » Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:20 pm

Mojo Filter wrote:
Hard Rocker wrote:Keep talkin' out of your arse!

I stay clear of that kind of thing.


You're bloody multi-lingual! :lol:


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Re: When The Beatles Met Elvis

Postby John » Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:29 pm

Hard Rocker wrote:
John wrote:
I've brought I Saw Her Standing There down to C while keeping the same tempo as the original.



John, if you fancy it....

Learn the bass riff to TBOJAY in E.
Give me a couple of years.
Stick a capo on at the 10th fret.
Play the same thing there.

Voila! The guitar riff to Don't Be Cruel.

Identical.

Or....

To play it the way Scotty played it, you'd need to retune the guitar by dropping the E down to a D (and also re-tune the other 5 strings) and play it there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAwE6Neo2QU&t=353s
Look there at 33:46

You'll then find that when you retune your guitar and play it in to E (standard concert tuning), it's the bass riff from TBOJAY, albeit an octave higher. Identical!


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Re: When The Beatles Met Elvis

Postby Mojo Filter » Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:30 pm

Hard Rocker wrote:
Mojo Filter wrote:
Hard Rocker wrote:Keep talkin' out of your arse!

I stay clear of that kind of thing.


You're bloody multi-lingual! :lol:

You sound angry. Keep calm.
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Re: When The Beatles Met Elvis

Postby John » Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:37 pm

Mojo Filter wrote:
Hard Rocker wrote:
Mojo Filter wrote:
Hard Rocker wrote:Keep talkin' out of your arse!

I stay clear of that kind of thing.


You're bloody multi-lingual! :lol:

You sound angry. Keep calm.

You can't sound anything from the written word. You as the reader can perceive anger, but it's your interpretation. You can see his humour. The word "bloody" does not denote anger.


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