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Re: On tour box set

Postby cadillac-elvis » Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:38 pm

I have a legitimate question here.

Since Ernst has made the decision finally to include complete studio sessions as he has been doing, why
can't he include complete rehearsals such the ones used in Elvis on tour?

I'd rather have the complete rehearsal rather than a heavily edited version of the rehearsals.

I also could ask the same question about complete home recording sessions.


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Re: On tour box set

Postby John » Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:47 pm

cadillac-elvis wrote:I have a legitimate question here.

Since Ernst has made the decision finally to include complete studio sessions as he has been doing, why
can't he include complete rehearsals such the ones used in Elvis on tour?

I'd rather have the complete rehearsal rather than a heavily edited version of the rehearsals.

I also could ask the same question about complete home recording sessions.

Somehow he feels that he can make the decisions for us. Didn't he say many years ago that they would never release the complete sessions? Hmmm.



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Re: On tour box set

Postby cadillac-elvis » Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:15 pm

John wrote:
cadillac-elvis wrote:I have a legitimate question here.

Since Ernst has made the decision finally to include complete studio sessions as he has been doing, why
can't he include complete rehearsals such the ones used in Elvis on tour?

I'd rather have the complete rehearsal rather than a heavily edited version of the rehearsals.

I also could ask the same question about complete home recording sessions.

Somehow he feels that he can make the decisions for us. Didn't he say many years ago that they would never release the complete sessions? Hmmm.


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Re: On tour box set

Postby John » Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:21 pm

cadillac-elvis wrote:
John wrote:
cadillac-elvis wrote:I have a legitimate question here.

Since Ernst has made the decision finally to include complete studio sessions as he has been doing, why
can't he include complete rehearsals such the ones used in Elvis on tour?

I'd rather have the complete rehearsal rather than a heavily edited version of the rehearsals.

I also could ask the same question about complete home recording sessions.

Somehow he feels that he can make the decisions for us. Didn't he say many years ago that they would never release the complete sessions? Hmmm.


Yep

What a damn waste of money and time that all was.



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Re: On tour box set

Postby cadillac-elvis » Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:38 pm

John wrote:
cadillac-elvis wrote:
John wrote:
cadillac-elvis wrote:I have a legitimate question here.

Since Ernst has made the decision finally to include complete studio sessions as he has been doing, why
can't he include complete rehearsals such the ones used in Elvis on tour?

I'd rather have the complete rehearsal rather than a heavily edited version of the rehearsals.

I also could ask the same question about complete home recording sessions.

Somehow he feels that he can make the decisions for us. Didn't he say many years ago that they would never release the complete sessions? Hmmm.


Yep

What a damn waste of money and time that all was.

Not sure exactly what you mean here.


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Re: On tour box set

Postby John » Sun Dec 11, 2022 10:25 am

cadillac-elvis wrote:
John wrote:
cadillac-elvis wrote:
John wrote:
cadillac-elvis wrote:I have a legitimate question here.

Since Ernst has made the decision finally to include complete studio sessions as he has been doing, why
can't he include complete rehearsals such the ones used in Elvis on tour?

I'd rather have the complete rehearsal rather than a heavily edited version of the rehearsals.

I also could ask the same question about complete home recording sessions.

Somehow he feels that he can make the decisions for us. Didn't he say many years ago that they would never release the complete sessions? Hmmm.


Yep

What a damn waste of money and time that all was.

Not sure exactly what you mean here.

We bought the FTD albums, then the complete sessions ones which duplicated much of what we already had.


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Re: On tour box set

Postby Colin B » Sun Dec 11, 2022 12:50 pm

John wrote:We bought the FTD albums, then the complete sessions ones which duplicated much of what we already had.


That's true !

Duplication has dogged many of his releases since the early days !

In the UK, the first RCA albums duplicated some tracks from the earlier HMV ones.
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Re: On tour box set

Postby rockinrebel » Mon Dec 12, 2022 9:52 am

Colin B wrote:
John wrote:We bought the FTD albums, then the complete sessions ones which duplicated much of what we already had.


That's true !

Duplication has dogged many of his releases since the early days !

In the UK, the first RCA albums duplicated some tracks from the earlier HMV ones.


I always thought that was intentional as they wanted those recordings to remain available. Hence the track listings for Elvis (RD 27120) - the UK equivalent of For LP Fans Only and A Date With Elvis being significantly different to their US counterparts.


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Re: On tour box set

Postby Colin B » Mon Dec 12, 2022 10:52 am

John wrote:We bought the FTD albums, then the complete sessions ones which duplicated much of what we already had.
Colin B wrote:That's true !
Duplication has dogged many of his releases since the early days !
In the UK, the first RCA albums duplicated some tracks from the earlier HMV ones.
rockinrebel wrote:I always thought that was intentional as they wanted those recordings to remain available. Hence the track listings for Elvis (RD 27120) - the UK equivalent of For LP Fans Only and A Date With Elvis being significantly different to their US counterparts.


Intentional or not, it was still duplication !
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Re: On tour box set

Postby rockinrebel » Mon Dec 12, 2022 3:18 pm

Colin B wrote:
John wrote:We bought the FTD albums, then the complete sessions ones which duplicated much of what we already had.
Colin B wrote:That's true !
Duplication has dogged many of his releases since the early days !
In the UK, the first RCA albums duplicated some tracks from the earlier HMV ones.
rockinrebel wrote:I always thought that was intentional as they wanted those recordings to remain available. Hence the track listings for Elvis (RD 27120) - the UK equivalent of For LP Fans Only and A Date With Elvis being significantly different to their US counterparts.


Intentional or not, it was still duplication !


Agreed, but with the FTD sessions sets they could have taken this approach the first time around, instead of releasing the same recordings as classic albums.

When RCA UK re-released the recordings first made available by HMV they were looking to keep them in the catalogue - so, I would say that was a different scenario.

However, what I've never understood is why RCA UK didn't just re-issue the old HMV albums, rather than create new compilations.


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Re: On tour box set

Postby Colin B » Mon Dec 12, 2022 4:49 pm

rockinrebel wrote:However, what I've never understood is why RCA UK didn't just re-issue the old HMV albums, rather than create new compilations.


I remember that I had the first Elvis album in the UK: "Rock 'n' Roll No.1" in 1956.

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Later RCA albums duplicated the tracks, but also included other tracks for the first time !

Had to have the other tracks, of course, but simply couldn't afford the duplication, being a young schoolboy.

Forced to sell the HMV album [nowadays an iconic & much-sort-after collectors' item] in order to buy the RCA ones !

An action I've always regretted.
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Re: On tour box set

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Re: On tour box set

Postby HD_RES » Tue Dec 20, 2022 4:00 pm

cadillac-elvis wrote:I have a legitimate question here.

Since Ernst has made the decision finally to include complete studio sessions as he has been doing, why
can't he include complete rehearsals such the ones used in Elvis on tour?

I'd rather have the complete rehearsal rather than a heavily edited version of the rehearsals.

I also could ask the same question about complete home recording sessions.


Complete sessions belongs on FTD,not on a Sony release like this.
I dont mind that this isnt complete,and it includes too many For The Good Times takes :?


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Re: On tour box set

Postby rockinrebel » Tue Dec 20, 2022 8:03 pm

HD_RES wrote:
cadillac-elvis wrote:I have a legitimate question here.

Since Ernst has made the decision finally to include complete studio sessions as he has been doing, why
can't he include complete rehearsals such the ones used in Elvis on tour?

I'd rather have the complete rehearsal rather than a heavily edited version of the rehearsals.

I also could ask the same question about complete home recording sessions.


Complete sessions belongs on FTD,not on a Sony release like this.
I dont mind that this isnt complete,and it includes too many For The Good Times takes :?


I agree, but I think the influence of FTD - and perhaps the fact that they are essentially targeting the same audience - has already had an impact on the mainstream titles.

The days of carefully sequenced box sets are long gone, and the kitchen sink approach applies now. The Back In Nashville set was particularly sloppy with far too many false starts and studio chatter to stand up to repeated listening.



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Re: On tour box set

Postby cadillac-elvis » Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:01 am

And perhaps the answer is FTD does the unedited version of sessions, and leave the main label to include only
the best of the session outtakes.


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